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[KARAS]

I FIGURED THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ACTUAL POST, IT ARIZES FROM A THREAD MY GOOD FREIND 2LOS STARTED: IVE ALLWAYS WANTED TO POST SOME FACTS ABOUT STATS SO HERE THEY ARE.


FACT 1: U CAN NEVER POST YOUR REAL STATS ACCURATELY UNLESS YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE sh*t FACTOR "DC" ALSO ALOT OF PLAYERS STATS AREN'T ACCURATE BECAUSE THEY RESET ALL THE TIME SO PLAYERS THAT RESET CONSTANTLY BECAUSE OF THEIR LOSSES AREN'T REFLECTING ACCURATE THEIR STAT, THAT IS WHY U MAY FIND PLAYERS WITH GREAT STATS BUT WHEN U PLAY THEM THEY SUCK.

FACT 2: MANY PLAYERS THAT HAVE AMAZING STAT ARE PLAYERS THAT HAVE RESETED SO TO STAT FRESH WHICH IS OK, NOTING WRONG WITH THAT BUT IT IS WHEN THAT Retested PLAYERS STARTS TELLING OTHER PLAYERS THAT THEIR STATS SUCK IS THE PROBLEM. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY Where IN THE SAME BOAT. SMH

FACT 3: ALOT OF PLAYERS ONLY PLAY DURING THE NEWB HOURS, NEWB HRS IS THE TIME WHEN MOSTLY EVERYONE ON CESTOS IS A NEWB (NEWB= NO GAME EXPERIENCE, SKILL OR NEW AT THE GAME) SO THESE PLAYERS TRY TO MAINTAIN THEIR STAT SPECIFICALLY PLAY DURING THESE HOURS MOSTLY, MY POINT BEING THAT THEY REALLY DONT PLAY ANYONE THAT HAS REAL SKILLS IN CESTOS, AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY MAKE IT A POINT TO AVOID PLAYING PLAYERS WITH SKILLS PURPOSELY BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THEIR STATS UNAFFECTED.

IN MY OPINION PLAYERS THAT DO THIS ARE NOT SKILL PLAYERS JUST SKILLED bullsh*t BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION, LIKE I SAID U REALLY WOULDN'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE THEY AVOID PLAYING SKILLED PLAYERS, OR JUST PLAY PARTICULARS.

FACT 4: PEOPLE SHOULD POST UP WHICH MAP THEIR STATS ARE PRODUCED FROM BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE 5000 WINZ AND 300 LOSSES BUT ,,,WHERE? BH OR SB ECT. THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE SEE STATS LIKE WHAT I JUST POSTED UP AS A EXAMPLE & AUTOMATICALLY SAY "WOW U MUST BE ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN CESTOS" WHEN IN ACTUALITY ALL THEY REALLY PLAY IS ONE MAP & TO BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS OR CLANS IN CESTOS REQUIRES THAT U PLAY SKILLFULLY & KICK a** IN MORE THAN JUST ONE MAP, BUT U CAN BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST OR THE BEST IN A PARTICULAR AREA, LIKE A SPECIALTY SO THAT'S WHY ITS IMPORTANT TO BE SPECIFIC,,SO PLAYERS STATE UR STATS N THE MAP OR MAPS WHEN U POST UP UR INFO LETS KEEP IT REAL.

FACT 5: BY cEb

though we could calculate everyones real stats and get them all wet cuz now they have a new, better win%, it all sounds like excuses to me (no offense intended to anyone, its just my bias). by that I'm saying there's no justification to stats. the whole "well when you do the math.." logic not only confuses ppl, but is simply irrelevant. to an extent, stats don't display your true skill; aside from the possibility of actually being a good player, good stats show that you know how to manipulate the game and/or you've become very familiar with the nuinces and how to make the best of them. there's already a somewhat universal understanding (mostly among 'elites' and old skool players) that stats are nice for display, but serve no true relevance or implication to that players true skill. only way to find that out is the old fashioned way....play! haha ppls stats will fluctuate due to a handful of factors: network connection (dc's), choice of map, software failure (fc's), etc...

well put cEb @ #5!!!

SO REALLY ITS NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST POSTING UP YOUR STATS...

THEIR ARE ALOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED,,,STATS DONT REFLECT THE PERSON GAME AND STATS ARE NOT ACCURATE. they do say something but they don't say it all not even close


ill post my stats as they are listed on CESTOS and ill repost them up WITHOUT DC inluded with a estimate to my actual %.

STATS AS LISTED ON CESTOS

GAMES PLAYED: 12680
WINZ: 9062
LOSSES: 3027
TIES: 591
XP: 420774

WIN%: 71%

ACTUAL STAT ESTIMATE

GAMES PLAYED MINUS (-) DC LOSSES: 11213

XP: 420774

WINZ: 9062

ACTUALL LOSSES: 1560

LOSSES BY DC:1467

TIES: 591

WIN%: 80.81%....Took wins of 9062 and divide by 11213 & included (actual loss and ties)

WIN%: 85.3%.....When u don't count ties in to figure

SINCE THESE ARE MY ORIGINAL STAT I WILL SAY ALL MAPS PLAYED I HAVE OVER TIME PREFERRED ONE MAP OVER OTHERS AND TO THIS DAY STILL CHANGE MAPS PREFERENCE'S BUT AT THE MOMENT I PLAY BH, SL, SB & IM DIGGING MF MORE THEN USUALLY BUT ANYWAYS I PLAY THEM ALL.

THAT IS THE 8TH & DGR8 TRADEMARK WE ROCK ALL THE MAPS IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY BE CALLED & KNOWN AS
THE BEST PLAYERS IN CESTOS,... PROPS TO ALL THE PLAYERS & CLANZ THAT ADOPT OUR SAME PHILOSOPHY,, & PROS TO THE PLAYERS N CLANZ THAT HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY...

I DONT COUNT THE DC LOSSES AS WINZ JUST TO KEEP IT TOTALy FAIR or as fair AS POSSIBLE BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT MANY OF THE DC WHERE GOINIG TO BE ULTIMATELY WINZ BUT THIS IS THE CLOSET POSSIBLE COUNT BASED ON MY RECORD & I AGREE WITH BOMBS TIES SHOULD BE NULL,IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT TIES ARE CONSIDERED AS LOSSES WHEN IT COMES TO CESTOS FIGURING OUT YOUR WIN %...WHO EVER thought THAT UP DID NOT REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT HE OR SHE WAS DOING,,LOL SMH

[KARAS]

MY THOUGHTS ON RESETTING AND THE IDEA BEHIND MY POST

i think 2LOS thread IS a very good thread actually because it give players a chance to post up their stats also my factors are so when they do post their stats they take specific things in consideration & to correct the misconception that if u have good stat your a great player and that if u have bad stats you suck , dont get me wrong those are general things that do point to that but not in all cases is what im saying.

As to resets i never said resenting is a bad thing it isnt, i said that when players reset and start talking about other players stat is just wrong. I dont give to much credit to high stats on few games played really come on anyone can get a good stat with in the first hundred games. A do give props to the players that have winz in the thousands and keep good stat % there is a huge difference between lets say a player with 15000 games played at a 70% rate VS a player with a 90% win rate but only has maybe 500 or 100 games played the 90% percent does not mean he better that 70% because the games played differences. they are both in different categories.

ALSO MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW THIS BUT MY STAT WHERE ORIGINALLY AT 45% BECAUSE I REALLY NEVER CARED ABOUT STATS AND USUALLY WAS EXPERIMENTING ALOT WHILE PLAYING AND I MANAGED OVER TIME TO ELEVATE IT TO WHAT THEY ARE NOW A VERY DIFFICULT TASK 4SURE BECAUSE AFTER UR STATS DROP IT IS VERY HARD TO ELEVATE THEM THAT'S WHY MOST PEOPLE RESET. I DO HAVE A WITNESS TO MY ORIGINAL STATS AND ACTUALLY IN ONE OCCASION ASKED BE WHY I DIDNT RESET SINCE I PLAYED SO WELL ON MANY OCCATIONS THIS PLAYER HAS CONGRATULATED ME ON MY STATS IMPROVING DRAMATICALLY. LOS BULLET AKA TEC BULLET A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE. I RESPONDED THAT I WAS ON A PERSONAL MISSION LOL. I DID TRY RESENTING ONCE AND ACTUALLY WAS AT ABOUT 95% with WITH ABOUT 500 GAMES MY AVATARS NAME WAS VITAMIN K AND sOloDoWn a old name from my 4k days but the DC started again and i was afraid to play actually and really missed my xp points there is a mayor difference in motion and weight with xp points the more xp u have the heavier and steadier your marbles are which obviously creates for better attacks and defensive positions and moves. so i dropped those games rested and asked for my old stat back.

[_cEb_]

_Gotta say I love the factual side of stats you chose to endorse, not very many go out of their way to point it out. However, I wanna add my 2cents

...though we could calculate everyones real stats and get them all wet cuz now they have a new, better win%, it all sounds like excuses to me (no offense intended to anyone, its just my bias). by that I'm saying there's no justification to stats. the whole "well when you do the math.." logic not only confuses ppl, but is simply irrelevant. to an extent, stats don't display your true skill; aside from the possibility of actually being a good player, good stats show that you know how to manipulate the game and/or you've become very familiar with the nuinces and how to make the best of them. there's already a somewhat universal understanding (mostly among 'elites' and old skool players) that stats are nice for display, but serve no true relevance or implication to that players true skill. only way to find that out is the old fashioned way....play! haha ppls stats will fluctuate due to a handful of factors: network connection (dc's), choice of map, software failure (fc's), etc...

..my personal stand on the matter goes like this: while learning the game (after around 8 or 10k games or so) I had spent time in all maps to where I felt comfortable resetting and starting over, solely to compete for good stats, cuz let's face it, its the chase for good stats that will either make you a skilled player or skilled cheater. before reset I had about a 64% I think. the highest I had with this account was 87, then I stopped playing and lost too many times, now its 80. I can sleep with 80 haha...point being that dc's, ties, losses, and the whole fuccked up stat calculation system cestos promotes is noticably flawed, but its all part of the game. to this day, I still ell oh ell at JiZZ's sig....one can dream, right?

_ceb_

[MoC4Life]

Well said karas the facts really offer a good explanation of things, for example why some LOS players stats are so good when I can smack their balls around a map like noobs.

I do agree with ceb about recalculating stats based on excuses... I suggest this should actually be fact #5: the dangerman method. I know ganga and others have used it but I believe dangerman can take credit for inventing it.

My winning percentage is explained on page 2 of the "dangerman @1000" thread in other.

[Custom45]

Who gives a dogs cock about stats? The main thing is getting a win by either a) cheating (using the old "has left!" trick), b) winning by getting your opponent to rage quit because you racially abused him, c) cloning person A, invite person B to a game and when they realise they arent playing their friend (person A) they call you a c*nt clone and quit back to the lobby and you get a win.

f*ck out and shut the f*ck down.

[KARAS]

_Gotta say I love the factual side of stats you chose to endorse, not very many go out of their way to point it out. However, I wanna add my 2cents

...though we could calculate everyones real stats and get them all wet cuz now they have a new, better win%, it all sounds like excuses to me (no offense intended to anyone, its just my bias). by that I'm saying there's no justification to stats. the whole "well when you do the math.." logic not only confuses ppl, but is simply irrelevant. to an extent, stats don't display your true skill; aside from the possibility of actually being a good player, good stats show that you know how to manipulate the game and/or you've become very familiar with the nuinces and how to make the best of them. there's already a somewhat universal understanding (mostly among 'elites' and old skool players) that stats are nice for display, but serve no true relevance or implication to that players true skill. only way to find that out is the old fashioned way....play! haha ppls stats will fluctuate due to a handful of factors: network connection (dc's), choice of map, software failure (fc's), etc...

..my personal stand on the matter goes like this: while learning the game (after around 8 or 10k games or so) I had spent time in all maps to where I felt comfortable resetting and starting over, solely to compete for good stats, cuz let's face it, its the chase for good stats that will either make you a skilled player or skilled cheater. before reset I had about a 64% I think. the highest I had with this account was 87, then I stopped playing and lost too many times, now its 80. I can sleep with 80 haha...point being that dc's, ties, losses, and the whole fuccked up stat calculation system cestos promotes is noticably flawed, but its all part of the game. to this day, I still ell oh ell at JiZZ's sig....one can dream, right?

_ceb_

by MoC4Life » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:55 pm

Well said karas the facts really offer a good explanation of things,

I do agree with ceb about recalculating stats based on excuses... I suggest this should actually be fact #5: the dangerman method. I know ganga and others have used it but I believe dangerman can take credit for inventing it.

My winning percentage is explained on page 2 of the "dangerman @1000" thread in other.

KUDOSS----GREAT MINDZ THINK ALIKE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I AGREE totally,,,I BELIEVE ALL OF US HAVE JUST EXPLAINED HOW IT WORKS or how some people make it work & WHAT THE IS REAL FROM THE UNREAL FROM WHATS CONVENIENT FOR SHOW.....ReaLY THIS SUMS IT UP:

stats don't display your true skill; aside from the possibility of actually being a good player, good stats show that you know how to manipulate the game and/or you've become very familiar with the nuinces and how to make the best of them.

why it was necessary to post the thread.

i posted cEbs input as FACT #5 & will look at DManZ thread to further amplify. THE FACTS ABOUT STATS

GOOD InPUT @ CEB & JIZZ AND I MUST INCLUDE LOL CUSTOM45 FOR HIS INCITE

[MustBeTheGanja]

f*ck stats. I play about 95% invites against skilled players. I'll rarely ever hop on to a random game ..its too boring to play a noob.

[MustBeTheGanja]

Fact 3 has matrix Berlin all over lmao

[ROC_SOL1D]

Who gives a dogs cock about stats? The main thing is getting a win by either a) cheating (using the old "has left!" trick), b) winning by getting your opponent to rage quit because you racially abused him, c) cloning person A, invite person B to a game and when they realise they arent playing their friend (person A) they call you a c*nt clone and quit back to the lobby and you get a win.

f*ck out and shut the f*ck down.

thanks for mentioning that. now every1 will know what to do when they find themselves in these scenarios.

[Custom45]

Who gives a dogs cock about stats? The main thing is getting a win by either a) cheating (using the old "has left!" trick), b) winning by getting your opponent to rage quit because you racially abused him, c) cloning person A, invite person B to a game and when they realise they arent playing their friend (person A) they call you a c*nt clone and quit back to the lobby and you get a win.

f*ck out and shut the f*ck down.

thanks for mentioning that. now every1 will know what to do when they find themselves in these scenarios.

Not really you f*cking nazi c*nt. You only see the name when you get a game invite so people won't know if its a genuine friend or a clone so they accept, quit and I get the win. Trust me boy, I've won many a game using this tactic and will continue to do so, using your name... Which you cried about... Ha ha ha. c*nt.