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[KARAS]

I FIGURED THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ACTUAL POST, IT ARIZES FROM A THREAD MY GOOD FREIND 2LOS STARTED: IVE ALLWAYS WANTED TO POST SOME FACTS ABOUT STATS SO HERE THEY ARE.


FACT 1: U CAN NEVER POST YOUR REAL STATS ACCURATELY UNLESS YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE sh*t FACTOR "DC" ALSO ALOT OF PLAYERS STATS AREN'T ACCURATE BECAUSE THEY RESET ALL THE TIME SO PLAYERS THAT RESET CONSTANTLY BECAUSE OF THEIR LOSSES AREN'T REFLECTING ACCURATE THEIR STAT, THAT IS WHY U MAY FIND PLAYERS WITH GREAT STATS BUT WHEN U PLAY THEM THEY SUCK.

FACT 2: MANY PLAYERS THAT HAVE AMAZING STAT ARE PLAYERS THAT HAVE RESETED SO TO STArT FRESH WHICH IS OK, NOTING WRONG WITH THAT BUT IT IS WHEN THAT Reseted PLAYER STARTS TELLING OTHER PLAYERS THAT THEIR STATS SUCK IS THE PROBLEM. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY Where IN THE SAME BOAT. SMH

FACT 3: ALOT OF PLAYERS ONLY PLAY DURING THE NEWB HOURS, NEWB HRS IS THE TIME WHEN MOSTLY EVERYONE ON CESTOS IS A NEWB (NEWB= NO GAME EXPERIENCE, SKILL OR NEW AT THE GAME) SO THESE PLAYERS TRY TO MAINTAIN THEIR STAT SPECIFICALLY PLAY DURING THESE HOURS MOSTLY, MY POINT BEING THAT THEY REALLY DONT PLAY ANYONE THAT HAS REAL SKILLS IN CESTOS, AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY MAKE IT A POINT TO AVOID PLAYING PLAYERS WITH SKILLS PURPOSELY BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THEIR STATS UNAFFECTED.

IN MY OPINION PLAYERS THAT DO THIS ARE NOT SKILL PLAYERS JUST SKILLED bullsh*t BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION, LIKE I SAID U REALLY WOULDN'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE THEY AVOID PLAYING SKILLED PLAYERS, OR JUST PLAY PARTICULARS.

FACT 4: PEOPLE SHOULD POST UP WHICH MAP THEIR STATS ARE PRODUCED FROM BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE 5000 WINZ AND 300 LOSSES BUT ,,,WHERE? BH OR SB ECT. THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE SEE STATS LIKE WHAT I JUST POSTED UP AS A EXAMPLE & AUTOMATICALLY SAY "WOW U MUST BE ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN CESTOS" WHEN IN ACTUALITY ALL THEY REALLY PLAY IS ONE MAP & TO BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS OR CLANS IN CESTOS REQUIRES THAT U PLAY SKILLFULLY & KICK a** IN MORE THAN JUST ONE MAP, BUT U CAN BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST OR THE BEST IN A PARTICULAR AREA, LIKE A SPECIALTY SO THAT'S WHY ITS IMPORTANT TO BE SPECIFIC,,SO PLAYERS STATE UR STATS N THE MAP OR MAPS WHEN U POST UP UR INFO LETS KEEP IT REAL.

FACT 5: BY cEb

though we could calculate everyones real stats and get them all wet cuz now they have a new, better win%, it all sounds like excuses to me (no offense intended to anyone, its just my bias). by that I'm saying there's no justification to stats. the whole "well when you do the math.." logic not only confuses ppl, but is simply irrelevant. to an extent, stats don't display your true skill; aside from the possibility of actually being a good player, good stats show that you know how to manipulate the game and/or you've become very familiar with the nuinces and how to make the best of them. there's already a somewhat universal understanding (mostly among 'elites' and old skool players) that stats are nice for display, but serve no true relevance or implication to that players true skill. only way to find that out is the old fashioned way....play! haha ppls stats will fluctuate due to a handful of factors: network connection (dc's), choice of map, software failure (fc's), etc...

well put cEb @ #5!!!

SO REALLY ITS NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST POSTING UP YOUR STATS...

THEIR ARE ALOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED,,,STATS DONT REFLECT THE PERSON GAME AND STATS ARE NOT ACCURATE. they do say something but they don't say it all not even close


ill post my stats as they are listed on CESTOS and ill repost them up WITHOUT DC inluded with a estimate to my actual %.

STATS AS LISTED ON CESTOS

GAMES PLAYED: 12680
WINZ: 9062
LOSSES: 3027
TIES: 591
XP: 420774

WIN%: 71%

ACTUAL STAT ESTIMATE

GAMES PLAYED MINUS (-) DC LOSSES: 11213

XP: 420774

WINZ: 9062

ACTUALL LOSSES: 1560

LOSSES BY DC:1467

TIES: 591

WIN%: 80.81%....Took wins of 9062 and divide by 11213 & included (actual loss and ties)

WIN%: 85.3%.....When u don't count ties in to figure

SINCE THESE ARE MY ORIGINAL STAT I WILL SAY ALL MAPS PLAYED I HAVE OVER TIME PREFERRED ONE MAP OVER OTHERS AND TO THIS DAY STILL CHANGE MAPS PREFERENCE'S BUT AT THE MOMENT I PLAY BH, SL, SB & IM DIGGING MF MORE THEN USUALLY BUT ANYWAYS I PLAY THEM ALL.

THAT IS THE 8TH & DGR8 TRADEMARK WE ROCK ALL THE MAPS IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY BE CALLED & KNOWN AS
THE BEST PLAYERS IN CESTOS,... PROPS TO ALL THE PLAYERS & CLANZ THAT ADOPT OUR SAME PHILOSOPHY,, & PROS TO THE PLAYERS N CLANZ THAT HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY...

I DONT COUNT THE DC LOSSES AS WINZ JUST TO KEEP IT TOTALy FAIR or as fair AS POSSIBLE BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT MANY OF THE DC WHERE GOINIG TO BE ULTIMATELY WINZ BUT THIS IS THE CLOSET POSSIBLE COUNT BASED ON MY RECORD & I AGREE WITH BOMBS TIES SHOULD BE NULL,IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT TIES ARE CONSIDERED AS LOSSES WHEN IT COMES TO CESTOS FIGURING OUT YOUR WIN %...WHO EVER thought THAT UP DID NOT REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT HE OR SHE WAS DOING,,LOL SMH

[KARAS]

MY THOUGHTS ON RESETTING AND THE IDEA BEHIND MY POST

i think 2LOS thread IS a very good thread actually because it give players a chance to post up their stats also my factors are so when they do post their stats they take specific things in consideration & to correct the misconception that if u have good stat your a great player and that if u have bad stats you suck , dont get me wrong those are general things that do point to that but not in all cases is what im saying.

As to resets i never said resenting is a bad thing it isnt, i said that when players reset and start talking about other players stat is just wrong. I dont give to much credit to high stats on few games played really, come on,,,anyone can get a good stat with in the first hundred games. i do give props to the players that have winz in the thousands and keep good stat % there is a huge difference between lets say a player with 15000 games played at a 70% ratio VS a player with a 90% win ratio but only has maybe 500 or 100 games played the 90% percent does not mean he or she is better the 70% because the games amounts played for each player is different. they are both in different categories.

ALSO MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW THIS BUT MY STAT WHERE ORIGINALLY AT 45% BECAUSE I REALLY NEVER CARED ABOUT STATS AND USUALLY WAS EXPERIMENTING ALOT WHILE PLAYING AND I MANAGED OVER TIME TO ELEVATE IT TO WHAT THEY ARE NOW A VERY DIFFICULT TASK 4SURE BECAUSE AFTER UR STATS DROP IT IS VERY HARD TO ELEVATE THEM THAT'S WHY MOST PEOPLE RESET. I DO HAVE A WITNESS TO MY ORIGINAL STATS AND ACTUALLY IN ONE OCCASION ASKED BE WHY I DIDNT RESET SINCE I PLAYED SO WELL ON MANY OCCATIONS THIS PLAYER HAS CONGRATULATED ME ON MY STATS IMPROVING DRAMATICALLY. LOS BULLET AKA TEC BULLET A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE. I RESPONDED THAT I WAS ON A PERSONAL MISSION LOL. I DID TRY RESENTING ONCE AND ACTUALLY WAS AT ABOUT 95% with WITH ABOUT 500 GAMES MY AVATARS NAME WAS VITAMIN K AND sOloDoWn a old name from my 4k days but the DC started again and i was afraid to play actually and really missed my xp points there is a mayor difference in motion and weight with xp points the more xp u have the heavier and steadier your marbles are which obviously creates for better attacks and defensive positions and moves. so i dropped those games rested and asked for my old stat back.

[ROC_SOL1D]

hey u know when u say ppl should post up which maps they got their stats from. how do u actually do that? cuz cestos only gives u brief figures.

I dc so much I've just gotten used to it. i too like u didn't give a sh*t about my stats. I used to try and make yo tricks in islands and sh*t like that. that took a heavy blow on my losses and at that time too I was nooby with other maps. I remember my % being sth like 34. then slowly progressing I made it to 100%. idk how it happened. its just a miracle.

[KARAS]

hey u know when u say ppl should post up which maps they got their stats from. how do u actually do that? cuz cestos only gives u brief figures.

I dc so much I've just gotten used to it. i too like u didn't give a sh*t about my stats. I used to try and make yo tricks in islands and sh*t like that. that took a heavy blow on my losses and at that time too I was nooby with other maps. I remember my % being sth like 34. then slowly progressing I made it to 100%. idk how it happened. its just a miracle.

well u can just say which maps u play imean its just personal knowledge. &

yeah man it takes alot of work to make your stat better from such a low point and that's why we take into consideration experiences, but in 8th we have are ways of finding out ur skill and only in special exceptions do we allow stats to be very low but soon are requirements and categories like i said im sure many will adopt it it is a pretty good way of scouting for good player , experiences plays a mayor part in skills personally i take pride in my stats cause they have history and my xp 420774 demonstrates my experience... & anyone that sleeps on me cause they see a 71% in my stats are casualties and victims of that misconception i stated before that stats do not always demonstrate a players or clans game level n skills its not always the case,,,, & when they do they ends up going down the hole...bye bye,,
thank u come again. when i do lose a game cause its bound to happen and it happens it is usually to a player with equal skill & well it just turns in to a back and forth win on the rematch. i dont mind loosing when its games like of that caliber those are truly good games and when i win they are good killz

[_cEb_]

_real players don't care about stats...if ur good, we know it

[KARAS]

_real players don't care about stats...if ur good, we know it

i agree with u bro REAL PLAYERS KNOW but that is the minority,,,,,so must i disagree with some of what u say simply because most people dont know, so when u say we "or real players know" i know who u imply but the greater general population of cestonianz dont know especially during the recruiting process its not ever broken down, in fact the lack of knowledge of the internal workings of cestos and stats is exploited, for a new player or a player that really has never analysed the cestos ranking format it is totally a visual thing so what they see is what they believe,,,,it seems cestonianz has been thrown or lead into this mind frame,, and since the subject came up i felt it necessarily or the perfect time to point out certain facts just to set the record straight because if cestos players or clans are to be evaluated by stats alone then it should be explained exactly how it should be evaluated, not just the common my stat are better than yours so i automatically play better the u lol thats just bullsh*t. thats like me playing one game winning and never playing again. statistically speaking ill have the best stats in cestos and based on how people "for some strange reason evaluate stats" would be the best player in cestos hands down.....100% win ratio, my point being how absurd is that ,,,im sure u and many agree ITS totally ludakris & if u look at it thats really that how things where being evaluated on cestos , hence the reason for the topic , but now i belive players and cestonianz in general have a greater understanding on how it really works, what counts and what does not.

I will add that everything i just mentioned is ALSO one of the major difference between C1 & C2,,,,c2 players do not see the game as c1 players based on stats therefore the game is played diffidently and most c2 players know that the real killers reside within c1even though c2 has its own killers, but the same point of view "more or less" is shared or can be said about the c1 players towards c2, alot of c1 players in reality enjoy c2 but will say c2 sucks not really cause of the c2 game itself just because whats important for c1 players n c2 players is different, c2 players consider c2 to to be great just because the mindset of the c2 player or the goal of the c2 player it totally different then the c1 player who for the most part dislike c2, c2 players are not stat orientated mostly they play for the hell of it as a good fun game, if u look at the c2 forum my point is proven its pretty dead and the post that are there are from die hard c1 players that rock c2 & if u really read what their posts are about the mainly revolve on lvl up and stats lol like i said c1 players see c2 totally different and most c2 players that where never exposed to c1 dont care about stats, clans or real competition. c1 players obviously put a little more meaning into the game
this is just my opinion.

THE FACTS ABOUT STATS

[-8TH-ACE_LDR-]

yes i agreee although i was reset because of new phone i didnt reset on my own will and back then when i was reset i had just reached lvl 60 and then i had to get a new phone so i was like ehhh what ever any ways currently i have
2040 wins
866 losses
ties 335
63 percent
i mostly play sumo but i do like to play all the other maps except islands i think is my worst map but most that know me -8TH-ACE_LDR- know that im a beastly player in sumo and a challenge in others but mostly i dont care about stats or anything else because i know that when it comes down to it all that matters is who has the marble on the field last

[-L0S_M0RG0TH-]

_real players don't care about stats...if ur good, we know it

I care about my stats, as in I don't want them to suck. Does that mean I'm not a real player? I play every map, with anyone and still manage to have an 83% win average. When I started I was only in the 50s. I worked really hard to improve and having my stats reflect that is my own personal reward, whether anyone wants to give me credit for it or not. Admittedly, there are plenty of great players with stats that don't necessarily reflect their skill level, but to say that real players don't care about stats? Ooook. I think it's safer to say, that there are some really good players who don't care about stats.

[-L0S_M0RG0TH-]

FACT 3: ALOT OF PLAYERS ONLY PLAY DURING THE NEWB HOURS, NEWB HRS IS THE TIME WHEN MOSTLY EVERYONE ON CESTOS IS A NEWB (NEWB= NO GAME EXPERIENCE, SKILL OR NEW AT THE GAME) SO THESE PLAYERS TRY TO MAINTAIN THEIR STAT SPECIFICALLY PLAY DURING THESE HOURS MOSTLY, MY POINT BEING THAT THEY REALLY DONT PLAY ANYONE THAT HAS REAL SKILLS IN CESTOS, AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY MAKE IT A POINT TO AVOID PLAYING PLAYERS WITH SKILLS PURPOSELY BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THEIR STATS UNAFFECTED.

Please, Karas. Instruct me as to when it is safe to play and not be viewed (by you) as only playing during the "newb hours". lol
Newbs, please only play during the times alloted by Karas, once he tells us when those times are, so that he'll have a point. I swear, Karas. You spend more time in the forums giving people advice and running tourneys than you do playing Cestos.

People, play when you want to play. Play when you have the time, because that's what the game is for. Don't underestimate any opponent, no matter the level or ranking (because a lot of so-called newbs are really just experienced players who've reset anyway).

[AbbyJ]

Ugh!! Ok, Morgoth, we get it!!

I'm not joining this fight...but hell, all your talk about "playing" ...when ironically...YOU are the one who is refusing to play!

Hate to tell you babe, but your quote "You spend more time in the forums giving people advice and running tourneys than you do playing Cestos"
----Kinda applies to you too.----

Standards for how you conduct yourself and even your clan, all well and good.  BUT you cannot impose you "CESTOS morality" on the entire game!!  I don't give a rats a** why or how you got your stats...when the "map doors" close it's just me & my opponent.  Nothing else comes into play.

I don't know you...but judging from these post ????? 
It's a little Dbag-ish

Its freaking CESTOS...PUT UR BALLS WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND PLAY!!